carbs and mast cell tumours
February 18th, 2012 § Leave a Comment
As I mentioned in a previous post, I’ve spent hours over the past fortnight researching nutrition and mast cell tumours.
Perhaps I did this because I feel particularly helpless – there was nothing we could do: The vet did everything. What could we, as owners, do?
Or perhaps it was because I felt guilty about not getting this particular lump checked, earlier.
Whatever the reason, I’ve learnt a lot about nutrition in general and specifically, in relation to mast cell tumours and cancer. To be honest, it all became a bit of a headache. No sooner had I found a way forward, but I discovered something else which meant it wasn’t really a way forwards and I was back at square one.
For example, one book stated that cheese was ok as a training treat for dogs with cancer, being high in saturated fat and low in carbs. But then another source stated that lactose could be converted to a form of carbohydrate and another source said that fermented cheese like cheddar was high in histamines, so should be avoided.
Or: One book stated that fish was excellent, as were tinned fish and omega 3s. But then the same source as mentioned above stated that fish, especially tinned fish, is high in histamines, and should be avoided.
Or: I’d conclude that raw eggs were great… only to find they contain some carbs.
OR: I’d conclude that feeding only fat and protein and zero carbs was the way forwards, then my friend Mike emails me (with his far superior understanding of digestion), to say that protein can be broken down to a form of carbs – so, is there a point to avoiding all carbs?
Until finally I’m left wondering (bizarrely) if it’s possible to feed a diet of entirely saturated fat – before realising that this has gone too far…
If I applied everything I read, Slate would probably end up eating lard and nothing else. Then she’d probably die of some vitamin deficiency!
So I read as much as I could and, when something was repeatedly stated in multiple sources, I went with that. If some single radical source said something, and no one else appeared to agree, I’d override it. If there was disagreement, I went with the majority.
Carbs are bad!
This was pretty much the first thing I discovered. There’s a useful paper here by Gregory Ogilvie, which explains why they are bad for dogs with cancer in particular (read the bottom of p2). For a summary of this paper, there’s a good and useful article here.
In short, cancer feeds off carbohydrates. Cancer cannot use fats at all and – after much figuring out on my part – I believe it can only use protein in a limited way.
Unanimously, all sources I read stated that a diet low in carbohydrates, high in fat and high in quality protein, was recommended for dogs with cancer.
I was a bit puzzled, though: Despite explaining the way in which carbs feed cancer, Ogilvie goes on to recommend only a diet low in carbs. Not carb-free. I couldn’t understand why this was: There is a whole cohort of raw feeders who feed no carbs at all, giving no vegetables or grains, since they believe that dogs don’t need carbs and are carnivores, not omnivores. Why doesn’t Ogilvie recommend a carb-free diet? Do dogs need some carbs?
This then set me off on an exploration of whether dogs needed carbs in their diet or not. (You can see the hours spent online, now, can’t you?) I especially found this article from a raw feeder useful.
I would really recommend a book called ‘Raw & Natural Nutrition for Dogs’ by Lew Olson This was recommended to me by another dog owner who feeds raw. It put forth a powerful argument, from someone with a PhD in Nutrition, for the absence of carbs in any dog’s diet – not just dogs with cancer. (By the way, by ‘carbs’ I mean not just grains, but potatoes, sweet potatoes and other vegetables.)
This book was great because it also had suggestions for cooked diets, for those who don’t feed raw – and it even had suggestions for things to add to kibble, to make more nutritious meals, for those who can’t move away from kibble. Plus diet suggestions for senior dogs, puppies, pregnant dogs and dogs with all kinds of diseases – including cancer. I would really highly recommend it. (I also bought Lonsdales ‘Work Wonders: Feed your dog raw meaty bones’ – which was terrible: Overly simplistic and just the kind of pro-raw rant which I hate. I threw it out!)
My conclusion was that dogs don’t need carbs. But carbs are cheap. Even relatively expensive kibbles are mostly carbohydrate: James Wellbeloved is 26% meat. Symply is 26% meat. Joe & Jacks is 26% meat. This is the ‘average’ amount of meat in most dry dog foods. Visualise a 15kg sack of dog food. Now visualise only 26% of that as meat. The rest is rice. People are paying something like £45 for what is essentially and largely a sack of rice. (By contrast, Orijen is 80% meat.)
Moreover, there is a growing trend amongst dog food manufacturers to create ‘grain-free’ foods for high prices: People who have got wise to the ‘sack of rice’ idea are quick to buy these foods. But usually the rice has been replaced with the exact same quantity of potato. Which is also cheap and a massive source of carbohydrates.
As for why Ogilvie recommends only a low-carb diet and not one which is carb-free… Well, there is a little clue on p15 of his paper, where he recommends Hills Prescription Diet w/d and again on p16, where he comments that ‘the only commercially available food which meets [the recommendations for a food for cancer suffering dogs] is Hills Prescription Diet n/d’.
By the way, the third largest ingredient on the Hills Prescription Diet n/d is…. guess what…? RICE.
Further snooping around reveals that Hills Prescription Diet n/d was developed off the back of Ogilvie’s research. Call me sceptical, but I have to ask the question: Who funded his research? Was it Hills??
Calculating the carb content
I have spent many an hour figuring out how to calculate the carbohydrate content of dog foods, since these are not listed.
This article from the website dogfoodadvisor.com is very useful in that respect. It turns out that manufacturers don’t list carbohydrate amounts on their nutritional analysis labels, but this can be worked out by deducting the other quantities.
However, before you can follow those instructions to work it out, you must first work out the dry matter basis of the food – even if it’s a dry food – since dry foods contain some moisture.
This is especially important if you’re comparing a dry food and a wet food. To work out the dry matter basis of the food, there’s another helpful article from dogfoodadvisor.com here.
This did produce some interesting results: NatureDiet customer service had told me that their foods contained a total of 6.5% carbs. Yet, when converted to dry matter this turned out to be about 25% carbs.
The way forwards
I’m not sure yet what we’re going to start feeding our dogs, since I don’t think raw is an option for us – for many reasons.
For Slate, I’m looking at perhaps a combination of Orijen for one meal, and the second meal being K9 Natural (freeze-dried raw) or Ziwipeak (air-dried raw), plus the addition of: Raw eggs, tinned fish, yoghurt, cottage cheese, fish oils and garlic. (Not all of that, every day, obviously.) There are some carbs in Orijen – around 18-25%. I don’t know if we could afford to feed her Ziwipeak for 2 meals a day, but we will more than halve her carb intake through having no carbs in her second meal. We will also use no carbs in training treats, nor simple sugars. (You’d be surprised at what’s added to ham or hotdog sausages: A lot of glucose and some wheat/grain too.)
Although we can give both dogs all the added extras (raw eggs, tinned fish etc), I don’t think we can afford to feed both dogs the K9 Natural or Ziwipeak. So Grey will probably get the slightly-cheaper-than-Orijen (but still with 60% meat) Acana for both meals, or maybe Orijen itself.
Finally, my friend Mike sent me a couple of interesting articles about the effects of fasting on cancer cells. The academic paper can be found here, but there is also a readable write-up here. In essence, cancer cells can’t adjust quickly enough to environmental changes (such as sudden fasting) and it causes them to go crazy and self-destruct.
When I read this, I recalled that there are a contingent of BARF feeders who fast their dogs one day a week, to mimic natural feeding. Since this would cost us nothing to do, and I can’t see how it would do any harm, I think we should probably incorporate this into the plan for Slate.
Aubrey, the labradoodle puppy
January 15th, 2012 § Leave a Comment
Yesterday, we took a trip to visit some friends and to meet their new labradoodle puppy, Aubrey.
These friends had been on our waiting list, for the litter we had planned to have with Grey.
When we decided not to breed her, they faced the difficulties of finding another litter in the UK from stock which were free of health problems in their lines.
What appealed to them the most about the SRHP was their physical appearance, and their good temperament with people and other dogs. They wanted a ‘family pet’ and had no intention of competing in any dog sport with their dog.
We managed to dissuade them from the SRHP as a breed. I recommended they consider a labradoodle from a responsible breeder – with all health-tests carried out – and a first-generation crossbreed, to ensure maximum genetic diversity and a low COI.
They did a lot of research to find a good breeder and in October, they travelled to Northamptonshire to bring home Aubrey – a chocolate labradoodle, with a standard poodle father and a show-bred labrador mother.
Aubrey is now 20wks old and is a very happy, laid-back yet energetic puppy who takes things in his stride. The family are enjoying a dog which wants to stay in the general vicinity of them on walks naturally, and without any training: Labradors are bred to walk at heel and not to hunt, in front of the handler. Poodles were originally retrievers also. Neither breed have been bred to hunt and find game before the shot. (As SRHPs have been bred.)
And, on arriving home from our walk, Aubrey was quite happy to be tied up outside for a short period of time without protest, whilst we put the kettle on. Later in the evening, he was silent when shut out in another room at dinner time. I couldn’t imagine a SRHP silently and non-vocally accepting these things without considerable training. Such is Aubrey’s laid-back nature…
SRHPs may look like grey labradoodles – but, inside, they are a different kettle of fish, as a HPR breed.
the difference between Weimaraners and SRHPs
January 13th, 2012 § Leave a Comment
I’ve been considering writing a post along these lines for a while, since people considering a SRHP often ask me what Slovakian Rough Haired Pointers are like. Especially compared to their Weimaraner cousins.
I haven’t posted on the subject before now, because I only have one SRHP and it seems a bit unfair to extrapolate from her to the entire breed. Some of the things I feel about the breed are a bit negative, and I haven’t wanted to offend those who love them.
But I have taught 5 SRHPs in the dog training classes I run, as well as many more Weimaraners. I’ve seen many Weimaraners at working events, shows and training over the years. I’ve seen fewer SRHPs at these events, but still some. I have a couple of friends with SRHPs. So what I write is informed by all this and not only by my own two dogs.
I also should state the proviso that, since this is a new breed which has only recently been developed, it could be argued that there is no such thing as a settled and established SRHP personality/character. And that all which we can describe are the qualities emerging from the different lines. I think this is true, but to separate the breed further into the different lines, would be far too complicated.
The long and the short of it, is that they are absolutely nothing like Weimaraners in everything except for coat colour and eye colour. They are definitely not Weimaraners in a wire-haired coat. In fact, it is hard to believe they have considerable Weimaraner blood in them. Consequently, it always surprises me that the breeders who are behind this breed in the UK and elsewhere are almost exclusively Weimaraner breeders.
Relationships with other dogs
To begin with a positive point: I’ve only once seen any aggressive behaviour from a SRHP, and that dog had been attacked as a puppy and been traumatised by the experience.
Most of the other SRHPs I’ve met have had great temperaments with other dogs. Most have been very playful, even once they are older, and their boisterousness can mean they are a handful for their owner: Without good training, I can imagine them becoming very dog-focussed and making a bee-line to play with other dogs, ignoring their handler.
Many of the bitches I’ve met have had a submissive and gentle quality to them, tempered with a great desire to play. The male dogs I’ve met have been a bit more full-on and boisterously playful.
Coming from owning a Weimaraner, owning a SRHP was a walk in the park when it came to encounters with other dogs. Our Weimaraner takes offence at other dogs much more easily – whether they are sniffing her bum in some way which she doesn’t like, or whether they are being too assertive and confident when approaching her, or showing too much confidence when they sniff her nose… She is much less tolerant or forgiving of social faux pas.
She has never hurt or broken the skin of another dog, but other dogs do get ‘told off’, during encounters. She was extensively socialised as a puppy and this behaviour didn’t manifest itself until she reached maturity at around 18 months – 2 yrs.
Having seen many other Weims around at working events, it has to be said that Weims are (on average) much more difficult when it comes to interactions with other dogs. By comparison, owning a SRHP has been so ‘easy’ in this respect. This ease around other dogs is definitely something I could get used to!
Relationships with people
Physical co-ordination
Focus and concentration
Just as Grey’s body often seems to be all-over-the-place, so is her mind in many ways. She is very capable – when able to focus! However, she appears to have the canine equivalent of ADHD. (Adam and I joke that she has a peanut for a brain.)
With a lot of work (a disproportionate amount of work, to the outcome!), this has become much better. But still, reward-ratios need to be high in order to keep her focus over extended periods of time.
This is one of the reasons I worry we will never be able to compete with her in working trials: How will she sustain interest in her handler for long enough to manage heelwork requirements without any reinforcement? On 10 minute out-of-sight Down Stays and when Tracking, she sometimes just forgets what she’s doing. It’s as if she suddenly comes to, and thinks ‘What am I doing here? I don’t remember!’
Slate, on the other hand, came to a new training class with me this week and followed me through an entire obedience heelwork routine without a single treat, scarcely taking her eyes off me.
Perseverance and dealing with failure
Retrieving
I’ve seen that it’s perfectly possible to be very successful in UK FTs with a non-handling dog. Not quite as possible to be successful in working tests, but that’s less important.
Hunting ability, range and nose
With the best examples of the breed: Excellent. I think, given sufficient game exposure when young, the SRHP will range acceptably well. There are a couple of excellent hunting SRHPs around. For an all-purpose, rough and ready gundog, the SRHP is great: They will get into bushes and dense cover, go through nettles and thorns – all things which my Weim (and most other Weims) will baulk at.
Noise & vocalisation
In short…
Dogs in Need of Space
December 3rd, 2011 § 2 Comments
Excellent blog post here, called Dogs in Need of Space.
the dog-human bond
November 2nd, 2011 § Leave a Comment
Being a good-enough puppy parent
I’ve long felt that manipulating rewards and punishments doesn’t explain everything which is going on between people and their dogs. But I could never quite put into words why I thought this. It just seemed that some things operated in another dimension.
Gradually, a combination of learning more about what we know of the human-dog relationship from reading about research; an awareness of the animal-assisted therapy literature (which features the dog-human relationship greatly); and a knowledge of attachment theory, has come together and I’ve started to hash out some thoughts about this ‘missing dimension’ of feelings and connections between us and our furry pals. Here are some of my first, rough, thoughts…
To start with, dogs and humans have been interacting with each other for up to 100,000 years.
The result of this, is that canine and human minds are curiously attuned. Here are a few recent studies which illustrate this phenomenon:1) Dogs’ understanding of human pointing gestures (Lakatos et al 2009): A researcher kneels down, with an upturned cup on her left and another on her right. She points to one of these cups. Opposite her is someone holding a dog. The dog is released when the researcher points. The dog, without having received any training, goes to the cup the researcher has pointed at.
Research has found that even little puppies can ‘read’ human pointing gestures in this way (rather than looking at the finger itself, as many other species do). The fact that puppies can do this, indicates that they are born with this ability – the behaviour is innate.
Dogs perform as well as a 2-year old child on this test, and they outperform chimps (who often flunk pointing gesture tests). They cannot perform as well as 3-year old children.
It seems logical that this ability has evolved in dogs as a result of our two species working so closely together for up to 100,000 years: Herding sheep, hunting and guarding together, it was advantageous to both of our species, for dogs to be able to understand human gestures.
2) Dogs’ ability to perform social referencing (Merola et al 2011): When a strange object suddenly emerges from a cardboard box, dogs are likely to show fear if the experimenter shows a fearful face, and likely to be accepting of the object if the experimenter shows a happy face.
That is: They ‘reference’ the response of their human companion, in order to help them determine whether something novel is a threat or not. Dogs are, here, ‘reading’ the social responses of another species, extracting meaning from these social responses.
Such social referencing experiments are much usually directed at human toddlers – this is a standard child-development test.
See from 3.45-8.10 mins, on this video (may not be viewable in some countries, unfortunately):
3) Humans’ ability to understand dogs’ barks (Molnár et al 2010): When played recorded barks, humans can reliably identify the contexts in which those barks would have been made – the emotional ‘meaning’ behind them. Humans are able to identify five barks with different emotional ‘meaning’. It seems that it is not only dogs which can understand the emotions of humans, but the reverse is true as well.
See from 14.50-21.19 in the same video, above.
Attachment
Attached by more than the lead between you
John Bradshaw’s excellent book In Defence of Dogs suggests that dogs’ minds categorise humans differently to the manner in which they categorise other dogs. This is borne out by the finding that dogs do not play tug with humans, in the same manner they play it with other dogs; they prefer to play in a socially cop-operative way with us. It is also borne out by the finding that adult dogs appear to be biologically pre-programmed to prefer a human attachment figure even to a member of their own species.
Indeed, it might be that dogs are born not only with a biological predisposition to attach to their canine mother as puppies, but also with a biological predisposition to attach to a member of the human species, throughout their adult life.
Humans and dogs have hunted, herded and guarded together for up to 100,000 years. The propensity of dogs to remain attached to their human caregivers throughout adulthood enabled new heights of co-operation and understanding to be reached between our species. This was, undoubtedly, of benefit to both in our shared activities.
And they called it, puppy love…
The results of recent research into human/canine attachment don’t appear to have filtered down to dog training itself yet. Most puppy training books talk about praising and rewarding your puppy when she does the right thing, and ignoring or preventing unwanted behaviour. In other words, about the giving (and removing) of rewards.
This way of thinking about things is called ‘learning theory’ or ‘operant conditioning’. Learning theory is very useful and an excellent way to teach your puppy all sorts of behaviours, from sit and down to recall and complicated tricks.
However, to wholly and entirely see your puppy (or any animal) in terms of learning theory is to treat her a bit like a computer or an input-output, operant-conditioning machine.
I believe there are aspects of the dog-human exchange which can’t be reduced to learning theory. These elements are emotional and relational and they operate in the dimension of attachment behaviour. Usually, we don’t need to think about these things, because they are happening in the background and they tick along just fine without us knowing about them.
But sometimes the advice which is given from the perspective of learning theory conflicts very strongly with the suggestions we might make from an attachment perspective. To show you what I mean, here’s an example. Here is some advice from Jean Donaldson (1996), a fabulous writer on the subject of learning theory, on getting your puppy used to being left alone:
First, if it’s a new dog or puppy in your house, set the precedent right away… right off the bat, leave baby dog or newly adopted dog alone for brief durations, over and over… It is absolutely normal that puppies and dogs will distress vocalise when you leave them alone… wait for a lull before going to them, at whatever cost. Resist thoughts like ‘what if he needs to go out’ or some other vital communication from dog to human, and worry about the potent behaviour modifying influence of your arrival chez dog. (49-50)
The thinking, here, in terms of learning theory, is that returning to the puppy will reward what the puppy is doing (making noise). So the owner should not return until the puppy is silent. This makes perfect sense, in terms of learning theory.
Yet, from an attachment perspective: This is an immature, helpless and bewildered baby animal, in an unfamiliar environment. He has just been taken away from his mother, his main attachment figure to this point, and his siblings.
On his own for probably the first time in his life, he feels abandoned and, so, in fear of dying. (Any immature animal, truly abandoned, most certainly would die.) With his noise, the puppy is attempting to get a caregiver to respond and help him with the unbearable fear he is experiencing.
This is terrible, but in his protests there is hope: There is hope that someone is listening, that someone might yet respond. When might he fall silent? When he has given up all such hope. Psychologically, this is a far worse place. In humans, we see the effects of truly non-responsive caregivers in the orphanages of developing countries, where children silently rock themselves – knowing that there is no point making noise, because no one will come. It has been proven that the resulting unregulated high cortisol levels wreak havoc on the developing brain, over time, leading to all kinds of psychological difficulties. Yet this is exactly what learning theory would lead us to, with puppies.
Currently, separation anxiety is the single biggest problem behaviour in adult dogs, with 15% of all dogs suffering from some form of separation distress. Separation anxiety is a major reason why dogs are given up to rescue and rehoming centres, because of the destruction and noise they create. What is ‘separation anxiety’? It is an acute panic, on the part of the dog, who believes he has been abandoned – left behind forever, to die. When he sees you leave, he does not believe you are coming back.
A dog with separation anxiety does not feel ‘securely attached’. He does not trust you, his caregiver, to be reach-able when he needs you – instead he believes that you will be inaccessible, far away from him. It can easily be seen how the conventional advice from a learning theory perspective – ‘do not return to a noise-making puppy’ – can cause a puppy to associate being left with escalating panic and fear.
Is it any wonder that separation anxiety is such a great problem for today’s dogs, when the predominant approach to puppyhood pays little heed to a puppy’s emotional needs?
Conceiving of the dog-human relationship by way of attachment often results in startlingly different solutions than does a blanket application of learning theory. We need to pay much more attention to attachment around issues of separation (temporary or permanent) of the dog from the caregiver, throughout its life. This includes: Leaving the breeder/mother; the first night; night-times in general; alone-training; kennelling; hospitalisation (of dog, at vet’s); rehoming.
Animals do grieve and are aware of the absence of attachment figures, and an awareness of this could have great implications for all kinds of policies: From vets permitting human visitors to pets who have been hospitalised, through to puppies being kept next to the new owner’s bed during the first night. And fewer dogs growing up to have separation anxiety, because their owners were educated into an awareness of their needs, instead of a hardcore behaviourist approach.
We also need to pay attention to attachment during the socialisation period, when the puppy is using the owner as a ‘secure base’ – retreating to gain confidence and to ‘refuel’, and then going forth into new territory, to encounter new things.
References
Donaldson, J. (1996) The Culture Clash. James & Kenneth, London.
Lakatos, G., Soproni, K., Dóka, A. & Miklósi, Á. (2009) A comparative approach to dogs’ and human infants’ understanding of various forms of pointing gestures. Animal Cognition, 12(4), 621-31.
Lorenz, K. (1935). Der Kumpan in der Umwelt des Vogels. Der Artgenosse als auslösendes Moment sozialer Verhaltensweisen. Journal für Ornithologie 83, 137–215, 289–413.
Merola, I., Prato-Previde, E., Marshall-Pescini, S. (2011) Social referencing in dog-owner dyads? Animal Cognition. [Aug 28 2011 epub ahead of print]
Molnár, C., Pongrácz, P., & Miklósi, Á. (2010) Seeing with ears: Sightless humans’ perception of dog bark provides a test for structural rules in vocal communication. Quarterly Journal of Experimental Psychology, 63, 1004-1013.
Odendaal, J., Meintjes, R. (2003) Neurophysiological correlates of affiliative behaviour between humans and dogs. Veterinary Journal, 165, 296-301.
Rooney, N., Bradshaw, J. & Robinson, I. (2000) A comparison of dog-dog and dog-human play behaviour. Applied Animal Behaviour Science, 88, 235-48.
Tuber, D, et al. (1996) Behavioural and glucocorticoid responses of adult domestic dogs to companionship and social separation. Journal of Comparative Psychology, 110, 103-8.










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