walking baseball
May 29th, 2011 § 2 Comments
My foray back into the drills of US retriever trainers, to find something which might help with Grey’s casting, was Walking Baseball.
Walking Baseball was first developed by the US retriever trainer D.L. Walters and is described in great detail in his book ‘Training Retrievers to Handle‘. However, that description does read like some sort of advanced maths formula, saying things like ‘Throw to I, back up to M, send dog back from P to Q’, accompanied by equally incomprehensible drawings. I tried this drill in the past with Slate, but got thoroughly confused with which direction P, Q or Z for that matter, was, and ditched it after only a couple of tries.
However, as it is such a centrally important drill for US retriever folk, I figured there really must be something in it and I should persevere now and get to grips with it.
This time I avidly studied Walter’s diagrams and drew up a sort of cheat-sheet I could take into the field with me. I also watched some YouTube videos on the drill which helped realise it, off paper. Firstly, US retriever training guru Evan Graham has an entire DVD solely on Walking Baseball, and here is a YouTube clip of that:
Then there are a couple of other videos with a trainer called Tera Lanczak, showing Walking Baseball Overs and Backs. (The sound gets a bit wind-obscured on these last 2 clips, but still worth watching.)
From the variations which Tara Lanczak used in her videos, I realised that actually I don’t need to follow Walter’s diagrams exactly, I just need to know the principles of the drill. In essence:
1. Use white dummies. (Grahams says use orange, but Lanczak uses white and I think white is easier to start with.)
2. Each time the dog brings a dummy back, and you throw it out again, be aware that you are going to send the dog for the dummy which is already out there and not the one you just threw.
3. Keep everything on tight lines: You want to give the dog straight casts L or R or B, so when throwing dummies imagine everything is functioning on a 4-spoked wheel. You cannot cast for diagonal backs. So keep it straight.
4. Extend the distance as the dog is able to cope. You can really establish some distance with this drill.
Today, I tried the drill for the first time with both Slate and Grey. I kept it very small (mainly because I’m still learning what I’m doing), and it went quite well. The grass was a bit too long in the field, which made it harder for both me and them to spot the dummies and ensure the lines were straight. I will try it again on the football pitch at Stanmer Park.
I think this will be a great drill for them, and also it only involves 2 dummies (instead of a bag of them). The downside is that, when working 2 dogs, one dog has to sit and stay quite some distance away from the action.
3HC & water & over
May 27th, 2011 § Leave a Comment
Grey
Well, Grey, for the first time ever this week, did not drop the dummy once on exiting the water. Has the penny dropped instead? I hope so.
This came about after some work on the clicker retrieve, where we revisited ‘hold’, one of the final stages of the clicker retrieve. Here, the dog must hold the dummy even when shown a treat – proving that the concept of ‘hold the dummy until you hear a click’ is firmly established. I can now show Grey a treat, once she has left the water, and she will hold the dummy and look at the treat – whilst she is soaking wet – and only drop when I click. I believe this is a huge step forwards…
As for her directions, I have moved all the poles in much closer and this has resulted in much fewer no-gos. There are still, however, some no-gos happening, so I’ll keep the poles at this distance until we have a day without no-gos before moving them out again.
Slate
Slate did some good work on her ‘over’ this week, using a large, fallen tree. She jumped over almost every single time on one command and appears to be learning the word. We could really do with some more obstacles though as, besides this tree, I’m not sure where else we can practise this. Most fences have barbed wire over the top of them.
I’m feeling that Slate is a little under-stretched: When I am practising water and directions with Grey, Slate can do everything I’ve set up for Grey – easily. She is, after all, 2 yrs ahead of Grey in terms of amount of training time spent on her. Yet it is hard to set up 2 completely different large-scale exercises for their different needs (too time consuming). At the moment she doesn’t get much out of the direction and water sessions, which are designed almost totally for Grey.
So I’ve decided to revisit a couple of my favourite books to get some more training ideas to stretch her a little more. A book I like very much is a US book called ‘Drills for the Hunt Test Enthusiast’ by Carol F. Cassity. It is written for US retrievers, but don’t let that put you off: UK HPRs are expected to handle and US retrieverdom has cornered the market in terms of an orderly system for achieving this. I leave out all ecollar-related stuff; the drills themselves can be taught using positive methods.
workinghprs – the verdict
May 24th, 2011 § 5 Comments
I’ve been trialling Mike’s new food, WorkingHPRs, for just under a week now.
Mike has a great variety of different foods available and a few of them are even Grain and Cereal Free. It’s very unusual to find a grain-free food for an affordable price, so Mike’s done a really good job in making this available to all us HPR owners. I’ve been trialling the Duck and Potato variety.
It arrived just one day after I ordered it, even faster than the promised 48 hrs, and the price includes Free Delivery.
The dogs really love the food and wolf it down, and the ‘output’ is firm and not large. The only observation I’d make is that the food is quite light (in weight): A cup of the Duck and Potato weighs less than a cup of, say, James Wellbeloved or Fish4Dogs. That’s not to say you are getting less for your money, because you are buying by weight (15 or 30kg), but it is to say that the sack may seem bigger and, if you measure by cup (rather than by weight), you may need to give your dog more than you are used to. Again, that does not mean that you are giving more (by weight).
This new food is a Very Good Thing for HPRs in the UK.
craig’s book
May 23rd, 2011 § Leave a Comment
After years of hearing about it, a copy of Craig’s book ‘Pointing Dogs: Volume 1: The Continentals‘ dropped through my letterbox this morning.
I’m very flattered to see that he has quoted me in the SRHP section! Anyway, here is my ‘review’…
It is hard to know where to start, when attempting some sort of review of Craig’s book.
In short, this book is a staggering opus. It features all the HPRs I’ve ever heard of, and then a whole lot more besides, along with comprehensive sections on the History, Form and Function of each breed. (Caution: This book is dangerous. You will find yourself making a shopping list. Personally, I am now coveting the Braque du Bourbonnais. It has a natural bob-tail, did you know?)
The photos are stunning and effortlessly capture the beauty of the dogs in the field. There are many whole-page photos of dogs, and I found myself wanting even more, and wanting the smaller photos BIG. I wanted huge *posters* of these photos, they were so stunning. Realistically, though, I think the photos couldn’t be any bigger without something having to go, in this 364 page book. It must have been very difficult for Craig to choose which photos to use and which not to include; which photos would go full-page and which would have to stay smaller. (Writers call this ‘killing your babies’. Craig must have killed many. I feel for him.)
I have only read the Weim and the SRHP sections thoroughly, so far, but have dipped in and out of many others and I look forward to reading more. I’ve already learnt things I didn’t know: I had no idea Weims were listed in the German GSP stud book until the 1920s and were considered a grey variant of the GSP! I’m no expert myself, but I have no doubt that even the most experienced owner of their breed will learn something new from this book.
The quality of the book is top-notch: The hardback is thick and heavy, the pages are dense and creamy and (very important to me, this one) it has that ‘new book’ smell! The book is (probably must be, to cover costs) pricey. However, when you think that it costs about the same as a tank of petrol and a couple of entries in a field event, it’s a worthy investment.
In the book, Craig often refers to people who have done a great service for their breed – by, say, bringing it back from near-extinction or promoting working abilities. I think it’s clear to anyone with their hands on this epic that Craig, himself, has done a great service for all these breeds through creating something which is such a breathtaking tribute to the dogs we all live with, and love.
losing direction(s)
May 20th, 2011 § Leave a Comment
Are we getting anywhere with Grey’s directions?
I don’t know. I don’t understand the conceptual problem she is having in getting them.
Today, in Stanmer Park, with the T-drill poles out, I am still working on her getting the cast correct. For example: I send her Right, and she sits there and looks very confused and doesn’t move. I cast repeatedly Right, re-trying it, and still she sits there. I cannot describe how infuriating this is and how angry I get, although I can’t express it because she’s doing her best and is afraid to run in case it’s the wrong way.
I moved up much closer to her and cast her Right, and she went. I then repeated it back at the original distance, and she went right again fine that time.
I then try Left. Only for her to sit there and stare at me again. I decide to wait a few seconds before I cast again, to give us both a chance to think. Whilst I’m standing there, waiting, Grey decides to take it upon herself to run – in the wrong direction (Right again!). ARRRRGGG!!!!
I blow the sit whistle and she stops. (She is good at that part!). I then cast Left again. I think she then went Left.
I tried Back, and again this took several casts. On the 3rd cast, she looked Back over her shoulder and I said ‘yes!’, so she took herself off there, to lots of praise from me.
It was a particularly bad day, as I don’t think we had her going on a single cast, first time. It is just uncertainty and her being unwilling to make a choice about which way to run, in case it is the wrong choice.
I think I am going to reduce the distance and go back to a small-scale and build it up again. So, I will put the poles out level with where they were today, but not so far out in each direction. I will start close to her, and with the poles close, and we will build back out again.
water & ‘Lost’
May 18th, 2011 § Leave a Comment
Went to the big dew pond at Stanmer Park today for some water training.
With Grey I was working on delivery to hand and with Slate, being sent for a blind across, from a ways back from the water.
Grey dropped her first retrieve on the floor (sigh), but the subsequent 5 retrieves were delivered to hand. But we only get one chance in a test! Every time I get a delivery to hand, she gets a click and I become a continuous treat-dispensing machine for about 30 seconds, giving treat after treat to make a great impression. If it’s dropped on the floor, she gets nothing and no treat for any other behaviour until the next one is delivered to hand.
I keep thinking the penny has dropped in her doggy mind, only to go out the next day and for her to drop it on the floor on the first retrieve again. I’ll know that this is sorted when I can, several days in a row, go out and have the first retrieve of the day delivered to hand. Then it will be fixed. Until then…
Slate was great today: The dew pond is perfectly circular and manmade. The benefit of this is that I can stand around it anywhere and practice retrieves across it, so there are multiple different entry points. I stuck a blind pole in the ground with 2 dummies by it, and I sent Slate from opposite. She swam straight there and then took the water back as well. (It is possible to run back around the edge.)
I sent Grey for the 2nd dummy at the blind pole, and she was also great, taking the water out and back and delivering to hand.
On our way back to the car, we practised ‘Lost’. (The command which means ‘hold that area and hunt it hard’.) This was one of the many things I learnt when Slate was a young dog and we went on a residential training week with Phillippa Williams, who is a retriever trialler and has made up several retriever FTChs. To practise this, you need a clearly defined area of bushes or scrub or sticks or something which stands out from its surroundings. I used a small copse in the middle of a grassy field. I sat the dogs outside the copse and walked into it, hiding 3 dummies in there. You then send the dogs on a retrieve. When the dogs enter the ‘clearly defined area’, you begin to call ‘Lost’, which tells them to come off a straight line and start to hunt that area.
Well both dogs completed the exercise both, perfectly. Then I sent Slate for the last one and this took bloody ages. She seemed to get stuck on an area at the front of the copse and not to widen her search to include the whole copse. She came out of the copse a couple of times and had to be sent back in. I really did not want to help her, but her confidence failed and she ended up pootling around instead of hunting. So I walked in there, and showed her the bloody dummy, then took her back out and sent her for it. She knew exactly where it was, so this wasn’t an exercise in Lost anymore, but I hoped it showed her that there is something there, when I say there is!
Slate’s first Open test
May 17th, 2011 § Leave a Comment
After winning out of Graduate a few weeks ago, Slate did well in her first ever Open test. She was a few points off 5th place, in a class of 18.
She hunted absolutely terribly though. I know I should not utter pathetic excuses, but she was assigned a patch of stinging nettles, where it was almost impossible to move anywhere and not get stung. Adam said she kept holding her paw up and looking sorry for herself and showed no desire to hunt anything. I don’t know if he is exaggerating, as she still got 14 for hunting. But she might have been in the awards, had she hunted better.
We realised that there are a few things we need to work on, now she has moved into Open. One such new area to focus on is: Obstacles. And the ‘Over’ command. It appears that obstacles are pretty standard in Open tests, and the test this weekend had a blind retrieve over a stile. Not only that, but it was a reasonable distance away and the dog was out of sight once it reached the stile. Slate reached the stile but came back into sight for help, not realising she was expected to jump it. Adam sat her and re-cast her right, and she then jumped it and came back with the dummy. But she needs to be able to do that without the extra command, and to be more used to jumping over things in her path.
So today, I had a session using a massive fallen tree. I placed the blind pole and 2 dummies out on one side of the tree, and we started up close to the tree. I said ‘Over’ just before she had to jump and gave ‘Yes’ on each jump. (‘Yes’ is a clicker word to her, but it is a word which means ‘keep working’ – the clicker itself means ‘exercise over’ and she would then run to me for a treat. ’Yes’ instead means ‘you are on your way to a treat, if you continue’. It’s a ‘bridging word’, if you want the lingo.) This tree was a bit tricky, since she could also crawl underneath it and run around the edge of it, but actually that made it a useful training exercise because she was able to try those things and not get ‘yes’ or a treat for those routes. (Instead, she got me going ‘Uh uh.’) By the end of the session, we had progressed back to the start of the path and she was able to jump over going out and back with the dummy.
I then thought I’d give Grey a go, and moved back up close to the tree again. Grey loved this and did it right every time, never even attempting to run around or crawl under the tree. Although it might seem that therefore Grey ‘knows’ it better than Slate, it is actually the opposite – Slate has had the chance to try out other routes and to learn that they don’t result in rewards. Grey, having never tried these alternative routes, hasn’t learnt that yet. (This is why just getting your dog to flukily do something right a few times is not really training.)
So, I am now on the look-out for obstacles on all walks, to continue this ‘Over’ training.
The Open Water test was a blind retrieve across a river, with the dummy placed quite a ways back down a track. Slate did this well, once she had gotten in the damn water. She piddled around at the edge and hesitated and Adam had to walk forwards and encourage her to get in. Once she was in, she took directions from him well and no problem on the way back or delivery. It was not a stylish performance for lots of reasons, but she got the job done.
Conclusion: More practise needed at standing back from the water when we send her, and again perceiving the water as an obstacle she needs to carry a straight line through when directed at it.
working test rant
May 16th, 2011 § Leave a Comment
I am afraid this is going to become a working test rant… Not a rant against organisers, judges, stewards or the people who help run tests, all of whom give up their time freely and generously, but against the testing system.
It would be easy to hear this as sour grapes, too, which it is not intended to be…
Grey worked her ass off for me yesterday and performed 3 tests perfectly - according to my judgement, my values and what I want to see my dog do. The 4th test was the water test, and she dropped the dummy on the floor for that – it just missed my hand. However, despite the fact that her only mistake (in my eyes) was this, the Water test was our highest score, since she scored 24/25.
Hmm…
She performed the easy seen retrieve perfectly, with no help from me. (Beyond shouting ‘Lost’.) And she performed the memory retrieve with off-lead heelwork again perfectly, with excellent heelwork. She did not sit and present at the end of her retrieves, as we don’t train our dogs to do this. It is not required by KC regs and it is not convenient on a shoot to expect a dog to sit and present game. At the end of the day, the judge in his ‘comments to competitors’ said that he had given extra marks for sits/presents, because they reflected ‘finesse’ and he had docked dogs which hadn’t done this. So, for our 2 retrieves, which should have had almost top marks, Grey got 23 and 18. The latter was a huge penalty simply for not sitting and presenting, but I can think of nothing else she did wrong: She heeled perfectly, sat on one command, heeled back and easily retrieved the memory.
So this is my complaint about working tests: That the marks are entirely arbitrary and what is valued varies, according to each individual judge’s preferences. One judge might want to see sits and presents; another judge might prefer delivery to hand and give no additional marks for sits/presents; another judge might dock only 1 mark for dropping a dummy after exiting the water; whilst another judge might dock half marks for this.
Then we move onto the hunting test. Since there were 38 dogs in Novice and one small patch of grass to run them on, we had been told that hunting was not being marked – only steadiness to shot and dummy. I guess we might complain that arguably the greatest and most important aspect of these dogs is their hunting ability, and here it is not even being tested. We might wonder whether it really is possible to have classes with 38 dogs. Or we might conclude, oh well, perhaps working tests really should become a glorified retrieving test and all hunting elements before the shot dropped – perhaps it is better that way. But all that is by the by…
When it was Grey’s turn to complete this test, she hunted very well and got out to the sides of the field. She used the wind well, going out in front of it and hunting back into me. It was not a hot day and I was glad she had been able to show what she was capable of. Then I heard a click from the starting pistol and saw the dummy flying through the air, so I sat her. The gun had not fired. Grey sat instantly to whistle and was rock steady to the dummy. The judge wanted to re-do this, so the gun would go off. So, again I hunted Grey up a bit and he tried to fire the gun – but it didn’t go off again. Still the judge wanted us to re-do this, with the gun. He asked us to wait whilst the next person went.
This was fair enough, I thought: If this whole test was entirely about steadiness to shot and dummy falling and not about hunting, then the shot should be the same for all dogs. So we waited, another dog ran, and we went again. This time Grey hunted rubbishly. She had already been over the ground once, and she knew there was nothing there. But – hey-ho, I thought – the hunting isn’t being marked, and even if it is, she did it great the first time. This time the gun fired and Grey sat and was rock steady. (For the third time. So, yes, we actually did this 3 times in a row, with the steadiness perfect each time.)
Yet, for this test, she scored 17!!! Perhaps the hunting was being marked – but, if so, Grey hunted great the first time. And we were explicitly told that it wasn’t a hunting test. In his comments at the end of the day, this judge said that he had zeroed any dogs which weren’t steady on this test – which again did suggest it was entirely a steadiness test, since they would gain no points through hunting if they were not steady. Yet again, lack of clarity and lack of information about exactly what is being judged and with what criteria in mind.
So, by the end of the day, I felt that not only had Grey performed well enough to be in the cards, but she might even have won. I’ve done a lot of working tests now and I think I’m a pretty good about knowing when we’re in the cards. Only to find she hadn’t placed at all and these scores in no way reflect the way she carried out the tests.
I know I might be taking all this a bit too seriously, but the fact is that the working test system is hopelessly flawed in the UK. There is no clear concensus about what a good dog is or about what should be scored. On one of the retrieves, another competitor told me that the judge had marked her down lots for using her whistle to recall the dog after he had picked the dummy – this judge had arbitrarily decided that any whistle-use was going to be penalised, regardless of how fast or well the dog completed the retrieve as a result of the whistle!
The result is that you can finish the day and think that you could not have done anything better, had you wanted it – only to then find such terrible scores. Furthermore, of the 2 judges, one judge gave Grey the 23/25 and 24/25 scores and the other judge gave her 17/25 and 18/25…..
I stress that this is not sour grapes, but a rant against a system which is impossibly flawed because we cannot train for a constantly-shifting standard.
I can think of no other competition, in any area in life, where people are judged without even knowing the rules and what exactly they are supposed to be trying to achieve. I can think of no other competition where each judge arbitrarily decides for him/herself, without competitors even knowing, what it is they are marking. It’s a crapshoot, not a serious method of helping breeders assess their dogs.
Grey’s directions & water
May 12th, 2011 § Leave a Comment
Bugger, we are still having problems with stickiness on casts. Not every cast, but I’ve never been able to cast all 3 directions on the T-drill and had no stickiness. She does always get it right, when she finally goes though. At the moment I’m working on the theory that hesitation means uncertainty and anxiety about getting it wrong, and that repetition will lead to confidence and no anxiety – and therefore no hesitation!
Some more water work yesterday, working on her holding the dummy and delivering to hand. The way I am working on this, is using the clicker as used in the original clicker retrieve: If she drops it on the floor, she doesn’t get a click or treat – even when she subsequently picks it up and delivers to hand. She only gets a click if it is directly delivered to my hand.
This proved quite interesting: I discovered that, if I put any pressure on her once she has emerged from the water (even just a stern ‘Give’), she is much more likely to drop it right where she is. My best chances of getting a delivery to hand come from extreme excitement and loads of encouragement, so she will hurry to get to me asap.
I would say I am getting two-thirds of water deliveries to hand now. Unfortunately, the first one is most likely to be dropped on the floor – something to do with her coat having just become wet, and an increased need to shake it out as a result. And, in a test, we only get one retrieve…
working hprs dog food
May 9th, 2011 § 2 Comments
So, my friend Mike has started his very own brand of dog food, called WorkingHPRs.
Not only is it a very good food in terms of the quality of ingredients and the absence of nasty preservatives and additives, but it is also incredibly reasonable. In fact, this is why Mike developed the food – because he was fed up of paying extortionate amounts of money for a good quality dog food, getting ripped off by the big companies in the process.
I haven’t tried Working HPRs yet, but I’ll report back when I have…
